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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on Aug 27, 2018 15:00:02 GMT -5
Since we are throwing out suggestions, what are the thoughts on division winners being guaranteed the top 3 seeds?
I personally am not a big fan of divisions in real life or in fantasy, but understand their utility for scheduling purposes and rivalries. I would however be in favor of the division winners being guaranteed a playoff spot, but not a top 3 seed.
If I had to formalize a proposal it would be to make Division Winner a tie breaker rather than a top three seed. So in the case of the Marlins v. Cubs it would have still been the same. Both have the same record, but the Marlins are a division winner so they get a higher seed.:
Official Proposal for Poll above
Playoff seeds are determined by the following:
1. Overall Record
2. Division Winner?
3. Points Scored
4. Head to Head Record
Under this proposal, the playoffs would not have looked all that differently. NL would have been the same and AL would have moved LAA to 6 from 3, but this would do a few things.
1. Would further incentivize the 1 seed. The 1 seed would be guaranteed to play the winner of the true 4 vs. 5 matchup. This year in the AL, the 1 seed is given the 4 seed which would really be the three seed otherwise.
2. At one point in power rankings it was stated that it may be better if the Blue Jays lost and played the AL west winner. While that would not have worked out for me either, it should never be a better strategy to lose purposely to try and have a "better" seed in the playoffs.
3. It rewards a team in a super competitive division even if he can't win their division. It would really suck to lose like 3 games and then have to play the 2nd best non division winner.
I know this goes against how they do traditional baseball, but traditions don't always mean it is the best way to do things.
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Post by D'backs GM (Kyle) on Aug 27, 2018 15:44:59 GMT -5
I like this idea. It's a small tweak but one that in my mind makes sense.
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Post by Braves GM (Jared) on Aug 27, 2018 20:46:05 GMT -5
Agreed.
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Post by Brewers GM (Tim) on Aug 28, 2018 10:29:16 GMT -5
Yes also agree
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on Aug 28, 2018 11:19:00 GMT -5
Are #1-4 the tiebreaker order?
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on Aug 28, 2018 12:36:44 GMT -5
Yes, currently it is 1,3,4. I am saying add in 2.
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on Aug 28, 2018 13:45:26 GMT -5
Oh, so right now, our order is actually 2,1,3,4. Got it. Yeah I'd be in favor. I think it would just require Alex to do the reseeding himself.
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on Aug 28, 2018 13:52:11 GMT -5
True, I guess 2 is first currently. The reseeding process in ESPN isn't difficult from what I remember, and would only have to be done at the beginning of each playoffs. It should run automatically after the initial reseeding.
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Post by White Sox GM (Caleb) on Aug 28, 2018 17:10:31 GMT -5
I agree
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Post by Cubs GM (Tanner) on Aug 28, 2018 17:49:03 GMT -5
I also agree with this. I would suggest putting points scored ahead of division winner though.. nothing against the Marlins, but I scored a significantly more amount of points than the Marlins did.. put the two of the 5 best teams in the league against each other in the wild card game. But I’m game for either.
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Post by Pirates GM (Max) on Aug 29, 2018 16:07:21 GMT -5
Divisions are cyclical enough that making it seed by divisions make sense. Even tho sometimes it will suck to have two great teams against each other, things quickly change
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Aug 29, 2018 19:21:31 GMT -5
I don't think it's a huge deal. As Max said, it will change every year. If the league wants to change it, I'm fine with that. But I drew a bad first round matchup against the Cubs, and I enjoyed the challenge of it. Just what happens.
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Sept 4, 2018 17:42:28 GMT -5
I think there should be value in winning your division. How MLB works, how NFL works. Otherwise, why even have divisions?! That's basically what you're all saying, what's the point of having a division? Zero if you toss that out. Divisions allow for rivals, like I love to beat the Phillies. Mets are knocking on my door, gotta try and keep up there. Braves are building. Anyway, I like divisions, I think it should stay as is.
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on Sept 4, 2018 18:48:27 GMT -5
Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I am by no means saying abolish divisions. I think divisions serve a great purpose in facilitating rivalries! I am not saying they lose the guaranteed playoff spot either, just don’t agree that winning your division should equal a top 3 seed.
As previously mentioned, the likelihood of it really effecting anything majorly is slim, but I just don’t agree with the fact that winning your division should be more important than winning more games, especially since we do have unbalanced divisions. This makes it 9% easier for an AL West team to get a top 3 seed over an NL Central.
Additionally, the current scenario makes it to where the 2 seed can hold an advantage over the one seed. If the third division winner isn’t strong, the 2 seed gets to face the winner of the weakest division winner vs. the weakest wild card. Whereas, the 1 seed has to face the winner of the two strongest wild cards, which could but not always be much better than the 3rd division winner and is definitely better than the 3rd wild card.
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Post by D'backs GM (Kyle) on Sept 5, 2018 16:05:36 GMT -5
This is similar to how they handle things in the NBA. If there's a playoff team with a better record than a division winner than they get bumped up a spot.
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Sept 7, 2018 7:58:30 GMT -5
That's my point Dbacks. I've watched the NBA for years. There's East and West. I couldn't have told you whether there were divisions or not. Pistons fan for a long time. No idea what division they're in. But they're in the East. And i'm not trying to put words in Jay's mouth or anyone's. I'm just saying, what's the point of a division if the winner doesnt get the higher seed? Scheduling? Don't think that's a problem with ESPN, could be wrong. Am I missing something else? So then it's just so I can have satisfaction of beating Phillies every year?
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Sept 7, 2018 8:39:14 GMT -5
Oh, duh, they get an automatic playoff bid is still incentive. I'm at work but I've got more ideas later.
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Post by Jason (Former Tigers GM) on Sept 10, 2018 8:34:17 GMT -5
I agree.
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on Sept 10, 2018 17:27:40 GMT -5
Added a poll
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Sept 15, 2018 13:36:52 GMT -5
What if we cut a wild card team and went to 5 playoff teams like MLB? Then, winning the division would mean getting a first round bye and be very important. Though, it would knock more teams out of the post-season race earlier... I kind of like having six playoff teams. Not sure really from my opinion, just thought it's worth discussion.
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on Sept 23, 2018 22:59:42 GMT -5
This only has 9 votes and it is very even right now, If you have not voted could you vote? (Also this was pre offseason trading blocks so I wanted to bump it up for those like me who view "recent activity")
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Nov 3, 2018 16:19:43 GMT -5
14 votes. With 8 in favor of keeping it as is so far. If we could get at least 2/3 of the league (20 votes), that'd be preferred for this!
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on Nov 13, 2018 6:44:22 GMT -5
Please cast your vote on this topic if you haven’t already.
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