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Post by Guardians GM (Thomas) on May 5, 2022 7:54:23 GMT -5
Hi all,
This week I made a trade in which I acquired a player who’s team had not yet started their game by the time the trade was official. The first pitch had been thrown in another baseball game, however, locking rosters on Fantrax. Because of this, the player was not able to be added to my lineup for the day. I left a SP spot open for him and reached out to Alex before first pitch of the pitcher’s game to see if he was able to add the points retroactively. We don’t have any rules that state it is or is not allowed, so we wanted to figure it out now. What I propose is:
“Should a player’s acquisition become finalized during a game day after the Fantrax roster is locked, points earned by the player are retroactively added to the team’s score for the week if; a) an active starting roster spot is available for the date of the acquisition for which the player is eligible and b) a request is made to the league staff for and potential points to be added before first pitch of the acquired player’s game.”
The wording on this can be tweaked to make it more in line with other league rules, but I think it reads clearly enough that there should be no debate about the rule once it would be in place.
Thanks!
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Post by Padres GM (Denver) on May 5, 2022 8:05:06 GMT -5
For the record I voted no.
But that’s only because a change that I don’t know about making during the season.
This is something I could see in the near future (this offseason?). That also gives us time to hammer out any issues with wording.
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Post by Guardians GM (Thomas) on May 5, 2022 8:14:21 GMT -5
For the record I voted no. But that’s only because a change that I don’t know about making during the season. This is something I could see in the near future (this offseason?). That also gives us time to hammer out any issues with wording. That’s completely fair! I’m more concerned about clarifying this for the future so when it does happen again, we know how to handle it. If it is something that needs to be implemented in the off-season, that’s fine! I just wanted to get it out there now so the league can start making a ruling on it. |
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on May 5, 2022 11:19:59 GMT -5
Guardians GM (Thomas), I agree with the rule that Thomas has stated. We don't have anything like this currently in the rules and it's been done on a case by case basis. I'd like to keep moving forward to getting all the things like this in the league rules so I don't have to try and remember my commish opinion from year to year.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on May 5, 2022 11:21:29 GMT -5
I am also in favor of allowing Thomas to be given the points for the player he acquired that would've been able to be played. He left a roster spot open and technically owned the player before the game started. If anyone is not in agreement with this one-time decision by me prior to us finalizing this rule, please respond here. Guardians GM (Thomas),, it would be helpful if you could post exactly the player acquired on what date and time, when that player's game started, and how many points he scored that should be added to the matchup, Thanks! |
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on May 5, 2022 11:51:51 GMT -5
Yea, I think as long as the player in question is acquired prior to THEIR start time, we shouldn't have to wait for fantrax. Agreed. There are also situations where the trade partner isn't available to make the trade right when it is processed so maybe adding that wrinkle in or clarification.
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on May 5, 2022 12:15:47 GMT -5
Just voicing an opinion that all players should be swapped at the same time is the more common sense option. If one player is locked, then deal completes the next day.
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on May 5, 2022 12:39:24 GMT -5
For the record I voted no. But that’s only because a change that I don’t know about making during the season. This is something I could see in the near future (this offseason?). That also gives us time to hammer out any issues with wording. I believe we've been doing it this way for years, it's simply not written in our rules, which is all this post is trying to get at, updating the rules. I've requested it be done in the past and it was. |
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on May 5, 2022 13:14:58 GMT -5
For the record I voted no. But that’s only because a change that I don’t know about making during the season. This is something I could see in the near future (this offseason?). That also gives us time to hammer out any issues with wording. I believe we've been doing it this way for years, it's simply not written in our rules, which is all this post is trying to get at, updating the rules. I've requested it be done in the past and it was. Prove it? |
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Post by Guardians GM (Thomas) on May 5, 2022 18:13:08 GMT -5
I am also in favor of allowing Thomas to be given the points for the player he acquired that would've been able to be played. He left a roster spot open and technically owned the player before the game started. If anyone is not in agreement with this one-time decision by me prior to us finalizing this rule, please respond here. Guardians GM (Thomas),, it would be helpful if you could post exactly the player acquired on what date and time, when that player's game started, and how many points he scored that should be added to the matchup, Thanks! To follow up on this, I acquired SP/RP Reynaldo Lopez CHW in a trade on 5/4. The trade became official at 3:48 PM with the 9th vote being placed. The White Sox had a first pitch time of 6:40 PM. Lopez recorded 1/3 of an inning and earned a hold for 4.66 points. |
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Post by Royals GM (Bill) on May 6, 2022 8:05:32 GMT -5
Since I am playing Thomas this week, and absorbing a pretty harsh beating, I vehemently oppose this allowance. This is a heinous violation of everything that is sacred in the game, and to allow this type of transgression would soil the sanctity of baseball and all that it represents. The fact that this league would consider such a change saddens me.
Or….my matchup this week aside….makes sense to me. I’m fine with the change.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on May 9, 2022 15:57:37 GMT -5
After pondering this a bit, I think we need to wait until all players in a trade are available. If a player is still pitching in a game when the trade becomes official, a team cannot add him to their roster... so you shouldn't be able to add some of the players but not all of them.
Updated rule proposal (being the last one didn't get enough votes):
When a trade becomes a official, a team can only add their new players to Fantrax as long as all players in the deal are eligible to be traded at the time the trade becomes official. For example, if a trade becomes official at 5:00pm in the afternoon prior to the start times of 7:10pm games for a couple of the players WHILE another player in the deal has already started their game at 3:10pm, none of the players are allowed to be played on that given day. All players must be eligible to be added before any of the players can be added.
Any problems with this? Suggestions on wording?
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on May 16, 2022 11:11:39 GMT -5
After pondering this a bit, I think we need to wait until all players in a trade are available. If a player is still pitching in a game when the trade becomes official, a team cannot add him to their roster... so you shouldn't be able to add some of the players but not all of them. Updated rule proposal (being the last one didn't get enough votes):
When a trade becomes a official, a team can only add their new players to Fantrax as long as all players in the deal are eligible to be traded at the time the trade becomes official. For example, if a trade becomes official at 5:00pm in the afternoon prior to the start times of 7:10pm games for a couple of the players WHILE another player in the deal has already started their game at 3:10pm, none of the players are allowed to be played on that given day. All players must be eligible to be added before any of the players can be added.Any problems with this? Suggestions on wording? Can we clarify that the trade clock 48hrs begins when Team #2 confirms? |
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on May 16, 2022 15:34:13 GMT -5
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on May 24, 2022 10:09:48 GMT -5
Alright, this will be added to the rules.
When a trade becomes a official, a team can only add their new players to Fantrax as long as all players in the deal are eligible to be traded at the time the trade becomes official. For example, if a trade becomes official at 5:00pm in the afternoon prior to the start times of 7:10pm games for a couple of the players WHILE another player in the deal has already started their game at 3:10pm, none of the players are allowed to be played on that given day. All players must be eligible to be added before any of the players can be added.
Also:
The trade clock starts once both teams have posted a confirmation.
Thanks!
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on May 24, 2022 12:27:09 GMT -5
Alright, this will be added to the rules. When a trade becomes a official, a team can only add their new players to Fantrax as long as all players in the deal are eligible to be traded at the time the trade becomes official. For example, if a trade becomes official at 5:00pm in the afternoon prior to the start times of 7:10pm games for a couple of the players WHILE another player in the deal has already started their game at 3:10pm, none of the players are allowed to be played on that given day. All players must be eligible to be added before any of the players can be added. Also: The trade clock starts once both teams have posted a confirmation. Thanks! Does this also apply to minor league players who lock on fantrax despite not being on their MLB team? |
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on May 24, 2022 12:48:41 GMT -5
Alright, this will be added to the rules. When a trade becomes a official, a team can only add their new players to Fantrax as long as all players in the deal are eligible to be traded at the time the trade becomes official. For example, if a trade becomes official at 5:00pm in the afternoon prior to the start times of 7:10pm games for a couple of the players WHILE another player in the deal has already started their game at 3:10pm, none of the players are allowed to be played on that given day. All players must be eligible to be added before any of the players can be added. Also: The trade clock starts once both teams have posted a confirmation. Thanks! Does this also apply to minor league players who lock on fantrax despite not being on their MLB team? Why would it apply to minor league players? Do they lock daily? I didn't think they did. |
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on May 24, 2022 12:54:19 GMT -5
Let's check it today =)
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on May 24, 2022 13:21:38 GMT -5
Let’s see how many loopholes to rules we can find
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on May 25, 2022 10:31:48 GMT -5
Astros GM (Will), as per your request, I checked and minor league players did not lock last night... so it doesn't affect this rule.
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on Jun 3, 2022 15:37:06 GMT -5
Astros GM (Will) , as per your request, I checked and minor league players did not lock last night... so it doesn't affect this rule. Looks like they do lock:  |
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Jun 4, 2022 9:54:22 GMT -5
Astros GM (Will) , as per your request, I checked and minor league players did not lock last night... so it doesn't affect this rule. Looks like they do lock: Sorry I'm a little busy and scattered. Can you just type up what the rule change should be to accommodate whatever you're worried about? Thanks. |
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on Jun 23, 2022 11:51:03 GMT -5
This looks good to me. Maybe for the first line specify that it should include minor leaguers also.
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