Idea - Two-Way Player Compensation/Tag Value

[Guardians GM (Thomas)]

Two-way players (specifically Ohtani) have been a recent debate in the Discord server on how compensation should work for them. If they were on the same scale as normal players, they would cost a fortune as they are more productive than just a hitter or a pitcher. My issue with just a straight multiplier of the tag value is that Fantrax does not split two-way players into separate players and as such they are restricted to just hitting or pitching in a game. In the case of Ohtani (and likely any future two-way players), he often hits while pitching. This even prompted a rule change in MLB (a team can list a player as the pitcher and designated hitter on the days he starts, then remove him in one role but not the other). Until there is a way to separate two-way players and have both a hitter version and a pitcher version available on the same day, I think we need to fix how they are compensated.

Idea:
Using our multiplier system (https://baseknock.proboards.com/thread/7430/4-2-extensions-restriction-tag), two-way players are worth all weighted pitcher points and 4/5ths of their hitting points. Additionally, as the tag proposal benefits the owner in reducing the amount the player would be compensated, the player will not be worth any additional compensation picks.

I think that this most accurately reflects how the system should work given that two-way players are one player in Fantrax. If there comes a time that they split the player (as Yahoo does), I think that he would be worth two compensation picks as the one player is eligible for two lineup spots. However, until then, I believe this would be the best solution.

I'm happy to take suggestions on the proposal and how it should change before being put to a vote. I've added a poll to gauge interest in the idea.

[Astros GM (Will)]

So a team with Ohtani gets to fairly compensate Ohtani commensurate with his production AND gets double the compensation picks if they don’t want to re-sign them? Why is he worth two picks? Is the deciding team hurt by not being able to re-sign him?

Ohtani is not scoring twice as many points as anyone else, so on a linear basis, he’s not worth twice the amount of compensation.

If anything this whole discussion has just made me want to get rid of comp picks altogether.

[Guardians GM (Thomas)]

Jul 26, 2022 23:26:45 GMT -5 Astros GM (Will) said:

So a team with Ohtani gets to fairly compensate Ohtani commensurate with his production AND gets double the compensation picks if they don’t want to re-sign them? Why is he worth two picks? Is the deciding team hurt by not being able to re-sign him?

Ohtani is not scoring twice as many points as anyone else, so on a linear basis, he’s not worth twice the amount of compensation.

If anything this whole discussion has just made me want to get rid of comp picks altogether.

Additionally, as the tag proposal benefits the owner in reducing the amount the player would be compensated, the player will not be worth any additional compensation picks.

This is what I have in the idea, which would be the one pick only unless a two-way player is split into two separate players within Fantrax.

[Astros GM (Will)]

Cool, without cozy numbers my reading comprehension suffered

[Cardinals GM (Nik)]

Go vote on this one instead: baseknock.proboards.com/thread/10658/player-comp-value

[Rockies GM (Alex)]

Jul 26, 2022 23:32:44 GMT -5 Guardians GM (Thomas) said:

Jul 26, 2022 23:26:45 GMT -5 Astros GM (Will) said:

So a team with Ohtani gets to fairly compensate Ohtani commensurate with his production AND gets double the compensation picks if they don’t want to re-sign them? Why is he worth two picks? Is the deciding team hurt by not being able to re-sign him?

Ohtani is not scoring twice as many points as anyone else, so on a linear basis, he’s not worth twice the amount of compensation.

If anything this whole discussion has just made me want to get rid of comp picks altogether.

Additionally, as the tag proposal benefits the owner in reducing the amount the player would be compensated, the player will not be worth any additional compensation picks.

This is what I have in the idea, which would be the one pick only unless a two-way player is split into two separate players within Fantrax.

It's an interesting idea that we could put to a vote.  However, I wouldn't want to vote on 4/5 of the players points.  Are the Cardinals really missing out on 20% of Ohtani's hitting points?  What's the exact number?  How does this translate to other players?  If I have too many starting pitchers and I miss out on an SP's points because I'm not allowed to play them in my lineup, do I get to pay them less?