Post by Cardinals GM (Nik) on Jul 27, 2022 0:22:10 GMT -5
I hate that I’m investing so much energy into writing this when I know what the answer is going to be.
Proposal: Two Way players’ extension value remain unchanged. Their comp value is treated in the same manner as the extension value - the SUM of their hitting and pitching points. For example, if Ohtani is a Comp A eligible hitter and a Comp B eligible pitcher, he would be worth a comp A and a comp B pick if signed by another team in free agency. His extension value remains unchanged and is the SUM of his hitting and pitching values as calculated by existing league rules.
Now, why is there a case for this? Let’s just talk straight facts first homies.
Fact: Offensive players earn points through hitting only. They do not earn defensive points. For example, Nolan Arenado doesn’t earn any extra points for being a baller defensive third baseman.
Fact: Pitching players earn points through pitching. They do not earn any offensive points if also slotted in the lineup for that period. For example, Ohtani doesn’t earn any extra points for being a baller hitter on nights he is pitching.
Fact: Extension values for Comp A eligible hitters are charged a premium over comp B and comp C. Same for B over C. For example, Comp A extensions are calculated by a multiplier of 0.045 per point and comp B is 0.035, and 0.025 for comp C.
Fact: Extension values for Comp A eligible pitchers are charged a premium fiver comp B and C. Same for B over C. For example, comp A extension are calculated by a multiplier of 0.05 per point and comp B is 0.04, and 0.03 for comp C.
Fact: If we take the rules as currently written and assumed Ohtani scores on average 700 hitting points and 400 pitching points in his two best years, then his extension value would be calculated as 700 hitting points multiplied by the premium Comp A rate of 0.045 per point or $31.5M. His pitching points would be calculated as 400 pitching points multiplied by the premium Comp B rate of 0.04 per point or $16M. The rules as written say to SUM these two together to equal a total extension value of $47.5M.
Analysis: Ohtani is two different fantasy players. That is first laid out by his in ability to score defensive points and hitting points at the same time just as one-way players are limited by the same issue. Position players are not given the option to earn pitching points when they are inserted into a blow out game. Neither are pitchers given the opportunity to earn hitting points if they were to hit for themselves.
Conclusion: because Ohtani (and other two way players) is treated independently for each position he plays, he should be considered two different fantasy players. That conclusion has actually already been made for his extension value. His extension value is treated as if he is two different fantasy players, so we take the SUM of both of his point values. The same conclusion should be made for his comp value, which could result in two comp picks. On top of that, the rules as written also penalize his extension value by forcing a premium rate on his extension by paying a higher multiplier on his pitching points at the comp B level, without a comp B associated pick.
Now, go on and veto this so we can move on with our lives.
Proposal: Two Way players’ extension value remain unchanged. Their comp value is treated in the same manner as the extension value - the SUM of their hitting and pitching points. For example, if Ohtani is a Comp A eligible hitter and a Comp B eligible pitcher, he would be worth a comp A and a comp B pick if signed by another team in free agency. His extension value remains unchanged and is the SUM of his hitting and pitching values as calculated by existing league rules.
Now, why is there a case for this? Let’s just talk straight facts first homies.
Fact: Offensive players earn points through hitting only. They do not earn defensive points. For example, Nolan Arenado doesn’t earn any extra points for being a baller defensive third baseman.
Fact: Pitching players earn points through pitching. They do not earn any offensive points if also slotted in the lineup for that period. For example, Ohtani doesn’t earn any extra points for being a baller hitter on nights he is pitching.
Fact: Extension values for Comp A eligible hitters are charged a premium over comp B and comp C. Same for B over C. For example, Comp A extensions are calculated by a multiplier of 0.045 per point and comp B is 0.035, and 0.025 for comp C.
Fact: Extension values for Comp A eligible pitchers are charged a premium fiver comp B and C. Same for B over C. For example, comp A extension are calculated by a multiplier of 0.05 per point and comp B is 0.04, and 0.03 for comp C.
Fact: If we take the rules as currently written and assumed Ohtani scores on average 700 hitting points and 400 pitching points in his two best years, then his extension value would be calculated as 700 hitting points multiplied by the premium Comp A rate of 0.045 per point or $31.5M. His pitching points would be calculated as 400 pitching points multiplied by the premium Comp B rate of 0.04 per point or $16M. The rules as written say to SUM these two together to equal a total extension value of $47.5M.
Analysis: Ohtani is two different fantasy players. That is first laid out by his in ability to score defensive points and hitting points at the same time just as one-way players are limited by the same issue. Position players are not given the option to earn pitching points when they are inserted into a blow out game. Neither are pitchers given the opportunity to earn hitting points if they were to hit for themselves.
Conclusion: because Ohtani (and other two way players) is treated independently for each position he plays, he should be considered two different fantasy players. That conclusion has actually already been made for his extension value. His extension value is treated as if he is two different fantasy players, so we take the SUM of both of his point values. The same conclusion should be made for his comp value, which could result in two comp picks. On top of that, the rules as written also penalize his extension value by forcing a premium rate on his extension by paying a higher multiplier on his pitching points at the comp B level, without a comp B associated pick.
Now, go on and veto this so we can move on with our lives.
