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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Nov 2, 2021 14:20:45 GMT -5
Lineup Violations Proposal
I've seen this done well in another league, and it really helps teams be consistent in setting their team's lineups. Our goal is to get all teams playing their players every single game that are active. To accomplish this, we could have incentives for setting your lineup in the form of a cap bonus every year. If a team has x amount of violations in a season, they unlock x amount of cap space for the coming year based on their previous year's performance.
Example:
The last $5M of the team salary cap is unlocked based on the number of lineup violations.
0 violations: $5M reward
1 violation: $4M reward
2 violations: $3M reward
3 violations: $2M reward
4 violations: $1M reward
5+ violations: No extra cap unlocked
7+ violations: Warnings and also additional penalties may apply, subject to a commissioner discussion
This would be policed by the league (watch your opponent, your opponent watches you) and tracked on the spreadsheets in a new tab. If a team deliberately benched a position player starting or SP starting in favor of another player who is currently not in the majors or injured a violation would occur.
We could either do it where the standard salary cap is $170m and then goes up to $175m based on lineup violations... OR $175m that goes up to $180m based on lineup violations.
What do you guys think?
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Post by D'backs GM (Kyle) on Nov 2, 2021 14:39:45 GMT -5
I mean it's a suggestion for sure. I like any suggestion that puts pressure on people to pay attention to their lineups.
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on Nov 2, 2021 15:12:59 GMT -5
I think this is basically unenforceable in a fair and consistent way that doesn't turn into tons of arguments throughout the year. I really don't feel like this is much of an issue, to be honest.
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Post by Padres GM (Denver) on Nov 2, 2021 16:25:16 GMT -5
No reason to give people more cap. Set your lineup or get roasted by everyone as we’ve done in the past.
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on Nov 2, 2021 17:41:53 GMT -5
I think this is basically unenforceable in a fair and consistent way that doesn't turn into tons of arguments throughout the year. I really don't feel like this is much of an issue, to be honest. agreed |
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Nov 2, 2021 18:05:23 GMT -5
No thank you. Arguments galore.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Nov 2, 2021 18:57:26 GMT -5
If this isn't a popular option... what is something written in the rules I can refer to as commish when someone doesn't set their lineup?
It's so subjective and it'd be nice to have some penalties to back it up.
It could actually be somewhat easily tracked, because you can look at points scored by the bench players during the week. If a team has a player scoring points on the bench and injured guys in their lineup... shouldn't that be penalized?
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on Nov 3, 2021 8:26:17 GMT -5
Just penalize Max for everyone else's failures
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Nov 3, 2021 10:50:56 GMT -5
If this isn't a popular option... what is something written in the rules I can refer to as commish when someone doesn't set their lineup? It's so subjective and it'd be nice to have some penalties to back it up. It could actually be somewhat easily tracked, because you can look at points scored by the bench players during the week. If a team has a player scoring points on the bench and injured guys in their lineup... shouldn't that be penalized? Why do we need this? As long as teams don't intentionally take guys out of their lineup, then they aren't intentionally tanking for a better pick. Because let's be honest (and you have no idea about this Alex, because you're nvr towards bottom of league), when you're out, are you even going to look at your lineup again? I think asking a team that's out of it to consistently set their lineup is stupid. Even if you put, check lineup once a week, there's no way to enforce that. |
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Nov 3, 2021 11:01:27 GMT -5
Marlins GM (Travis) I was at the bottom of a couple years and I set my lineup. I'm only asking for something more objective. It can be simpler than this, for example, the last $5m of your salary cap for the following season is unlocked only if you do not get 3 or more warnings about setting your lineup when it has been seriously neglected. Easy for everyone to do, but gives me something to use to enforce rather than, it's for the good of the league.
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Nov 3, 2021 11:49:50 GMT -5
Then we're having the same convo, what constitutes a warning? I can say I checked my lineup on Mon, or say I was busy.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Nov 3, 2021 11:58:10 GMT -5
Yeah, exactly, that’s subjective.
So for me it’d be like, doesn’t matter what the reason was, that’s your first of 5 warnings towards a cap penalty.
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Nov 3, 2021 12:15:46 GMT -5
My point is, you're asking for more arguments. If I say I was busy the one day you decide to check, then I shouldn't get a warning. Or say I checked it on Wed. Its really not worth it. If the bottom dwellers wanna compete for a better draft spot, let em. They need it. Only penalize if they intentionally bench ppl. Throw that in there.
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on Nov 3, 2021 12:59:56 GMT -5
I would rather just remove people from the league if they are unfairly tanking or neglecting their team. The league can vote on removal because we are the 29 others that have to deal with that one owner.
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on Nov 3, 2021 13:18:50 GMT -5
I would rather just remove people from the league if they are unfairly tanking or neglecting their team. The league can vote on removal because we are the 29 others that have to deal with that one owner. We can't even agree on vetoes without it turning into World War 3 |
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Nov 3, 2021 14:57:52 GMT -5
I don't think ignoring your lineup because it sucks is unfairly tanking.
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on Nov 3, 2021 16:18:07 GMT -5
I like the theory of this idea, but as Will said it would be hard to enforce. I think if anything maybe assessing a cap penalty in addition to a game penalty may be better, but again if it is an issue with an inactive owner we can just give them the boot if they aren't upholding the spirit of the league.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Nov 3, 2021 17:00:03 GMT -5
I don't think ignoring your lineup because it sucks is unfairly tanking. Well... why did the Yankees, Cubs, or Rangers put any players in their lineups this year? Could've earned the 1st pick by just benching guys. |
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on Nov 3, 2021 17:15:28 GMT -5
The very fact that they did put players in their lineups shows that this isn't an issue.
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on Nov 4, 2021 9:37:30 GMT -5
If you want to add something to the rules maybe something like you could lose 10 spots in the draft or something like that.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Nov 12, 2021 16:15:04 GMT -5
Not seeing any interest in a penalty right now... if someone has another idea that catches on. In the future, I would like something in the rules to point to if a team doesn't set their lineup in a pivotal game other than "league shame".
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on Nov 16, 2021 14:35:21 GMT -5
Not seeing any interest in a penalty right now... if someone has another idea that catches on. In the future, I would like something in the rules to point to if a team doesn't set their lineup in a pivotal game other than "league shame". I think you are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. We can notify teams of a lineup discrepancy and to fix it, or replace the owner if we find that they are not interested in running the team any more. We already have that system in place. |
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Nov 16, 2021 14:57:21 GMT -5
Astros GM (Will) well... I'm the one who gets complaint messages multiple times a season and has to find a solution for them. I see why most people don't see this as an issue at all, but it does come up.
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Nov 16, 2021 20:30:39 GMT -5
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Post by Cardinals GM (Nik) on Nov 16, 2021 20:47:04 GMT -5
I’m fine with letting the commissioner shoulder the burden of these requests. He seems to be doing a great job at it!
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Nov 16, 2021 21:21:05 GMT -5
I wanna know who's whining about it. Release the names!
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on Nov 16, 2021 23:14:44 GMT -5
Astros GM (Will) well... I'm the one who gets complaint messages multiple times a season and has to find a solution for them. I see why most people don't see this as an issue at all, but it does come up. Then make the post public. I know Tim would have no problem with that. |
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on Nov 16, 2021 23:19:51 GMT -5
I’m making a FOIA request
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Nov 17, 2021 14:06:47 GMT -5
Tim will harass the shit out of them and that'll be the end of their complaining.
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on Nov 17, 2021 14:08:04 GMT -5
Tim will harass the shit out of them and that'll be the end of their complaining. Was I the leading complainer about Aaron Judge? I don't believe I was. |
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