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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 17:23:15 GMT -5
Astros Acquire:
LHP Max Fried .3
C Yasmani Grandal .3
RHP Andrew Lockett .3
RHP Anthony Bass .3
RHP Burch Smith .3
RHP Zach Eflin .3
RHP Joe Ross .3
LHP Brett Mooneyham .3
RHP Adys Portillo .3
A's Acquire:
RHP Stephen Strasburg .4
I acquire an ace.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 19:45:15 GMT -5
I approve this deal
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Post by Jacob (Former Tigers GM) on Apr 27, 2013 19:53:58 GMT -5
LOL veto. we're talking the best pitcher in major league baseball for some prospects half of which probably won't even make the league, and no of which will ever be an all-star. This ain't close.
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Post by Matt (Former Padres GM) on Apr 27, 2013 20:25:54 GMT -5
I really don't like this one either but who am I to say. You guys are the owners and know what you're looking for.
Approve
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 20:39:16 GMT -5
Jacoby: The guy who traded his team for prospects and vetoes a deal because he doesn't like prospects.
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Post by Royals GM (Bill) on Apr 27, 2013 20:43:45 GMT -5
Veto. Grandal and Fried aren't nearly enough for Strasburg. A whole bunch of random spects with back end of the rotation ceilings doesn't cover the gap.
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Post by Jacob (Former Tigers GM) on Apr 27, 2013 21:23:47 GMT -5
Jacoby: The guy who traded his team for prospects and vetoes a deal because he doesn't like prospects. Lol Noah you're a funny kid. In no point in my reply did I say that I don't like prospects. I just like one's that will be successful. Stras is the best pitcher in the league and none of these prospects will be a quarter as good as he will. I'm embarrassed you even posted this and even more embarrassed this league gave it two approves. Ridiculous. I officially think we need a trade approval board. |
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Post by Jacob (Former Tigers GM) on Apr 27, 2013 21:27:08 GMT -5
And for the record Noah... When I traded the best center fielder in baseball, I got back Profar, Guerreri, Cain, and Odorizzi.. You could argue no one in this trade is as good as the worst player I got in that deal, Odorizzi. And Stasburg may have more value than McCutchen.
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Post by Pirates GM (Max) on Apr 27, 2013 21:30:52 GMT -5
Sorry. This is still not enough. A Top 60 prospect, a Top 20 C, and a bunch of C+/B- specs is not near enough for the best young SP in baseball. He's 24 and an ace. This isn't close guys
Max
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Post by Braves GM (Jared) on Apr 27, 2013 21:41:25 GMT -5
I'm going to approve. Strasburg isn't even the best pitcher on the Nats staff (see Zimmermann). Having said that, he is still an ace and very young. I'm just getting tired of all the bickering on here.
What if Burch Smith becomes and All Star? Or Grandal? Or Joe Ross? We can't predict it.
Also, don't forget what kind of money Stras is going to cost going forward.
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Post by Pirates GM (Max) on Apr 27, 2013 21:53:34 GMT -5
I'm going to approve. Strasburg isn't even the best pitcher on the Nats staff (see Zimmermann). Having said that, he is still an ace and very young. I'm just getting tired of all the bickering on here. What if Burch Smith becomes and All Star? Or Grandal? Or Joe Ross? We can't predict it. Also, don't forget what kind of money Stras is going to cost going forward. What if is exactly it. Stars is proven in the MLB. None of the others that HOU is receiving have proved themselves in the Minors, let alone the Majors Max |
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Post by Jacob (Former Tigers GM) on Apr 27, 2013 21:54:04 GMT -5
But none of those guys have proven anything. Nothing. Strasburg has proven he can be the best pitcher in the league and he is most definetly better than Zimmerman. This is a franchise altering trade for the Astros in a bad way.
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Post by Pirates GM (Max) on Apr 27, 2013 21:54:07 GMT -5
Vote is (3-3) at the moment
Max
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 23:16:23 GMT -5
Veto. And having watched every start by Zimmerman and Strasburg the comparison is laughable check the stats.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 23:41:54 GMT -5
Sorry Zimmermann
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Post by Matt (Former Padres GM) on Apr 28, 2013 8:42:15 GMT -5
Jesse has yet to accept this deal. I'm sure he will but I just wanted to point it out and give him a reminder
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Post by D'backs GM (Kyle) on Apr 28, 2013 9:01:39 GMT -5
It already has 4 vetoes so it doesn't matter.
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Post by Braves GM (Jared) on Apr 28, 2013 9:07:14 GMT -5
Hey Blue Jays, you check the stats. I'm not a mathematician, but I'm pretty sure 4-1 with a 2.00 ERA is better than 1-4 with a 3.16 ERA. Zimmermann has also pitched 5 more innings in the same number of games.
I'm not saying Stras is a chump. He is clearly an ace. But so is Zimmermann. And in this league, innings pitched and wins are worth a lot more points than just strikeouts.
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Post by Matt (Former Padres GM) on Apr 28, 2013 9:25:00 GMT -5
Thanks Kyle. I thought it was 5 vetoes
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Post by Jacob (Former Tigers GM) on Apr 28, 2013 10:05:36 GMT -5
Hey Blue Jays, you check the stats. I'm not a mathematician, but I'm pretty sure 4-1 with a 2.00 ERA is better than 1-4 with a 3.16 ERA. Zimmermann has also pitched 5 more innings in the same number of games. I'm not saying Stras is a chump. He is clearly an ace. But so is Zimmermann. And in this league, innings pitched and wins are worth a lot more points than just strikeouts. Lol the fact that you based their comparison off of 5 starts is hilarious. Check out the stats last year big guy. |
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Post by Braves GM (Jared) on Apr 28, 2013 10:33:36 GMT -5
Zimmermann had a lower ERA, almost the same WHIP and had less walks in a lot more innings. The ONLY stats Stras had on him was wins and K's.
Plus, in those 5 starts this year, Zimmermann has over 100 fantasy points. Stras has half that.
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Post by Jacob (Former Tigers GM) on Apr 28, 2013 10:47:00 GMT -5
That's about the smallest sample size you can take for pitchers. I agree Zim's an ace, but Stras is the bets pitcher not only on the staff, but probably top 2 in the league.
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Post by Braves GM (Jared) on Apr 28, 2013 11:01:32 GMT -5
Last years numbers are a small sample size? Or the fantasy points are a small sample size.
I like that you ignored the fact of last years stats even tho you are the one who called for them.
Lets get a little more technical then...
Stras had 2.0 WAR last year. Given, he had 4 less starts, but that's does not make up for the fact that Zimmermann had 3.7 WAR. At those averages, even if Stras made the same amount of starts, he still wouldn't have been close in WAR to Zimmermann.
Anyway, I have no clue why I decided to argue this. Either way, both of these guys would be in my top 5 choices if I had to rank starting pitchers.
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Post by Braves GM (Jared) on Apr 28, 2013 11:25:30 GMT -5
Correction: WAR numbers are 4.7 and 3.0. My mistake.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Apr 28, 2013 14:36:40 GMT -5
well... would've approved, but it's already cancelled. Sorry guys, thanks for doing what I asked. Add more I guess Noah, superstars don't come without giving something up that will actually hurt your team.
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Post by Matt (Former Padres GM) on Apr 28, 2013 15:03:55 GMT -5
I approved this as well but I agree with Alex.
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