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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 7:17:22 GMT -5
Blue Jays receive:
2016 1st round pick (LAD)
Dodgers receive:
Yasmany Tomas (75% salary coverage first year 50% rest of contract)
Blue Jays accept.
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Post by Brewers GM (Tim) on Feb 23, 2016 8:05:00 GMT -5
Could you add value and duration of Tomas contract?
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Post by Dodgers GM (Scott) on Feb 23, 2016 12:01:34 GMT -5
The Dodgers Accept this trade
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Post by D'backs GM (Kyle) on Feb 23, 2016 14:30:49 GMT -5
So here are the numbers. Please in the future make sure to put all contract information and pick information on trade posts. Makes it a lot easier for teams to review the trades. Thanks.
Yasmany Thomas: 2016 - 15M, 2017 - 15M, 2018 - 15M
Blue Jays covering at 75% per year which is 11.25M per year.
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The Dodgers 1st round pick which is the 16th pick of the draft.
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Post by D'backs GM (Kyle) on Feb 23, 2016 17:13:05 GMT -5
Veto
Similar problem with the Abreu trade. There's not enough value coming back to the Blue Jays for the player on the money compensation. 1 year compensation? Ok. 30% compensation over 3 years? Ok. But 11.25M per year for the next 3 years is a lot to give up for the 16th pick let alone for also giving up a talented player on a solid deal (3 years @ 3.75M per).
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Post by Brewers GM (Tim) on Feb 23, 2016 17:34:16 GMT -5
Veto.
Sorry to be a spoil sport. The sum total of reimbursement and going to the third year are what pushes it out of balance to me. For what it's worth, 50/50 to me is Tomas for the pick, no reimbursement. (Not to say that's what it should take for approval, just an observation on value).
Kyle - the teams or others can correct if off base, but it reads like 75% yr 1, 50% yr 2 and 50% yr 3
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Post by Jerry (Former Yankees GM) on Feb 23, 2016 19:48:54 GMT -5
Veto, I agree with Tim's thread above. Tomas is worth a first round pick or maybe a bit more. Pay some of the first year might work but I can't approve multiple year salary coverage.
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Post by Astros GM (Will) on Feb 23, 2016 22:02:53 GMT -5
Approve - while I agree with the analysis above, I think retaining Tomas has incredibly diminishing returns for the Blue Jays, so he's paying $26.25M over 3 years for a 16th overall pick. I'm not sure what else the Blue Jays can do right now other than to use their extra budget to help buy prospects right now, even at a steep price.
From the Dodgers perspective, the deal seems mostly fair as they are getting Tomas on a roughly market value contract for a good not great hitter at the cost of their 16th overall amateur pick.
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Post by Das (Former Giants GM) on Feb 24, 2016 1:30:32 GMT -5
Allow - I'd give the edge to the Dodgers 65-35, $26.25M is more than I would want to pay for a draft pick, at the same time I don't know that I would be rushing to give up that draft pick to get Tomas for the same deal.
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Post by Royals GM (Bill) on Feb 24, 2016 9:38:14 GMT -5
Approve - Yasmany Tomas is a 255 lb outfielder who is limited in where he can play because he's one of the worst defensive players in baseball. On top of that he has one carrying tool...power and he can't get to that because his hit tool is so bad. If you look at his second half, he totally cratered with a .553 OPS. Lots of swing and miss and he doesn't take walks. He may develop into a .240 20 HR guy for a couple of years but I'd take a 1st rounder for him all day long. Paying that large a chunk of salary isn't ideal and it may tip the scale in the Dodger direction, but this is not a vetoable trade in my estimation.
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Post by Dave (Former Nationals GM) on Feb 25, 2016 11:46:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure where I stand on this issue- if Tomas salary was covered for this season only, I would have little issue with the exchange. And although I know Toronto is looking to totally rebuild, I still think to be fair with all other owners, you should attempt to field a lineup. But I'm new to the league and I'm just learning as I go, With all that being said, I guess I would vote to approve, but I have reservations
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Post by Phillies GM (Zach) on Feb 25, 2016 11:54:39 GMT -5
Approve. A first round pick for a heavy, unathletic OF who, unless he brings his offensive numbers up, will be pushed out of a position based on his defensive stats alone. He's not an MVP candidate, it's his second year in the league and there's no guarantee he can/will improve. A first round pick could be a superstar or a bust, it's a coin flip. There are risks on both sides and I think the value for this trade is fair.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Feb 29, 2016 9:17:11 GMT -5
It stands at (4-3). Really appreciate the reasons guys!
Official. Processed.
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Feb 29, 2016 12:28:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure where I stand on this issue- if Tomas salary was covered for this season only, I would have little issue with the exchange. And although I know Toronto is looking to totally rebuild, I still think to be fair with all other owners, you should attempt to field a lineup. But I'm new to the league and I'm just learning as I go, With all that being said, I guess I would vote to approve, but I have reservations I agree with what you said. Why do we play fantasy baseball? To win. Every year. Not 5 years from now. Not even 2 years. I want to win at the start of every season. Sure, halfway through and your team is getting throttled, sell for different players. But to just stockpile minor leaguers is ridiculous. For every gem you get, next 3 will be a bust or simply a mediocre big leaguer. Teams need to move young talent and field a team. |
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