Tigers/Giants

[Das (Former Giants GM)]

Tigers receive:
P Tarik Skubal DET *
OF Alexander Canario SF *

Giants receive:
SP Jake Odorizzi MIN 6/7A 19:$8.6M (Tigers $6.4M paid in 19')
2020 Amateur Draft Round 2 (CWS)
2020 Amateur Draft Round 3 (CWS)
2020 Amateur Draft Round 6 (DET)

Giants accept.  The Tigers asked if I had interest in Odorizzi and well he is an MLB SP, so I guess.  However, he wasn't really interested in what I made available, so instead, I'm selling high on Tarik Skubal and Alexander Canario by making a trade that I buy a cheap enough SP, planning on making up the difference for my minor league system by adding draft picks, naturally the 6th Round pick was added to the deal, since it seems to be the new standard.  Thank you for the talks, glad to see we could come to an agreement, best of luck.

*The Tigers/White Sox deal should be official, it has 11 votes.

[Tigers GM (Jon)]

Tigers accept.

Haven’t been super high on Odorizzi. He has had a great year by his standards; however, I would rather sell now as I believe his value is as high as it can be. I continue to build my farm with 2 prospects I value very highly in Skubal and canario

[Nationals GM (Tim)]

Veto. Canario and Skubal alone are a sufficient return for Odorizzi who still has a year of control beyond this season. Adding in 3 draft picks to Das pushes this wayyy into veto territory for me.

[Pirates GM (Max)]

Approve. I don't think it's fair, but I also don't think it is vetoable. Odorizzi really is not very good and Skubal is flying up lists. I don't like the high picks going back, but it doesn't go into veto territory for me.

[Orioles GM (Michael)]

Veto for same reasons as Tim.

[Royals GM (Bill)]

Veto. Agree with Tim.

[Das (Former Giants GM)]

Like anyone in their right mind would trade Skubal and Canario for Odorizzi?

[Tigers GM (Jon)]

Odorizzi for 1st (Skubal) - this is kind of a stretch because I don’t think he’s worth it by himself.
2nd, 3rd (both bottom of round) and 6th for canario (1st round pick equivalent)

Is it really that far fetched?

[Royals GM (Bill)]

Would you trade Skubal and Canario for Aroldis Chapman? And then add the picks? Because Odorizzi has put up more points than Chapman. This isn’t a roto league but rather a points league that really favors SP. I also think you’re a little over the top on a guy that needs to develop some secondaries to stay in a rotation and a guy that hasn’t reached full season ball. Of course the picks allow Das to draft a guy with a big fastball and fringy secondaries and a guy that will tear up the low minors. And he adds a mid rotation guy. Das is really good at dynasty baseball.

[D'backs GM (Kyle)]

I’m not a big fan of the trade and think Das is getting a good deal but Jon seems to be really into the specs he’s getting.

Approve

[Blue Jays GM (Stephen)]

Approve. Odorizzi has pitched over his head in my opinion, and I would probably like to see one less pick leaving the tigers, but not enough to veto for me.

[Guardians GM (Thomas)]

Approve.

I think it’s a slight overpay for the Tigers, but not unreasonable.

[Rockies GM (Alex)]

Approve. I was a veto at first, but I was convinced after some good arguments..

[Padres GM (Denver)]

Approve

[Braves GM (Jared)]

I want to veto this so bad, just based on your reasoning Jon. Just because Skubal was drafted in the first round, doesn’t make him a true “first rounder”. I could draft a “5th round talent” guy in the first round, then offer him to other teams as basically the same as a first round pick? That’s not logical.

However, I don’t like messing with other people’s teams and goals.

Approve

[Das (Former Giants GM)]

Aug 4, 2019 16:47:44 GMT -5 Royals GM (Bill) said:

Would you trade Skubal and Canario for Aroldis Chapman? And then add the picks? Because Odorizzi has put up more points than Chapman. This isn’t a roto league but rather a points league that really favors SP. I also think you’re a little over the top on a guy that needs to develop some secondaries to stay in a rotation and a guy that hasn’t reached full season ball. Of course the picks allow Das to draft a guy with a big fastball and fringy secondaries and a guy that will tear up the low minors. And he adds a mid rotation guy. Das is really good at dynasty baseball.

A better argument would have been Jack Flaherty, at least he plays the same position and has scored the same amount of points as Jake Odorizzi this season, but even still, it's about production, potential, contract status and player demand.  Odorizzi has been pitching better than expected this season, but he is still only performing at mid-level rotation production.  During the post season when 10 starts in a week matter in the Giants rotation a mid rotation isn't that much more valuable than just a run of the mill SP, so a pitcher like that has limited value on my roster.  Which is why, I think I was able to swing a deal using rising prospects to net a mid rotation starter and score draft picks.  However, Chapman, is an elite RP, 4th in RP ranking this season, far more valuable than Odorizzi (44th ranked SP) even if Odorizzi has scored more points.  Just saying, you would have had a much better argument at least trying to compare players that played the same position.  Although, I'm glad you didn't, it felt good to swing a deal that I intentionally wanted to favor the Giants long term and short term, if for nothing else, than to hit on the value of using my 1st pick to generate value.

[Royals GM (Bill)]

It only matters what position they play if you don’t have the roster spots to accommodate both players. Otherwise the only thing that matters is the number of points each team scores. You just made my point for me. The fact that Chapman is elite is immaterial. He still gets outscored by a mediocre starter, which makes their value similar and yet players would give up more in value for fewer points with Chapman.

I do agree that you were able to parlay 2 very replaceable prospects into a mid rotation starter along with the draft picks to replace your replaceable prospects. You got Odorizzi for virtually nothing. Well done.

[Astros GM (Will)]

Normally I'd agree with Das, but the replacement level on players in this league is essentially zero points because we can't freely add free agents and 99% of players are owned already.

[Rockies GM (Alex)]

7-3. Deal passes with more approves than vetoes after 48 hours. Official. Processed.

Trades are done for the 2019 season. Woohoo!