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Post by Cardinals GM (Nik) on May 18, 2021 16:01:35 GMT -5
Cardinals Trade:
1st rd pick
Nationals Trade:
Chris Taylor - 1 year 1.2M
This is the Corey Seager injury hedge.
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on May 18, 2021 17:14:35 GMT -5
Approve. I am dealing arguably my best hitter but he’s a free agent after this year and I’m betting on my depth to carry my team as it’s done all year.
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Post by Guardians GM (Thomas) on May 18, 2021 17:52:02 GMT -5
Approve. Seems expensive for 2/3 of a year of Taylor, but it’s good to see St. Louis adding.
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Post by D'backs GM (Kyle) on May 18, 2021 18:19:43 GMT -5
Approve
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Post by Orioles GM (Michael) on May 18, 2021 18:40:49 GMT -5
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on May 18, 2021 21:22:05 GMT -5
Cards, you really need to chill. This is getting ridiculous. And there goes Tim, fleecing at its finest.
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on May 18, 2021 21:30:25 GMT -5
Oh, I'm clearly vetoing. A 1st for 2/3 of a year of a player? Shut up. Not even a discussion. It's not like he's an elite scorer, having a good year so far. But come on. A 1st round pick equates to years of control for a player. If this trade got you into WS contention, ok. Maybe I'd feel better. But it doesn't.
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Post by Cardinals GM (Nik) on May 18, 2021 22:56:38 GMT -5
Sure, not the best deal in the world, but there weren’t many other options out there. Also, I can tag him at the end of the year.
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on May 19, 2021 8:19:40 GMT -5
Approve. Argument could be made that he should have gone for more before. Shouldn't be mad at someone for flipping an asset for more. That's business.
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Post by Tigers GM (Jon) on May 19, 2021 12:06:33 GMT -5
Approve. Not that its a guarantee, but Taylor is on pace to fetch a Comp B (conservatively IMO), with potential of maybe Comp A. Also, historical value for a player is irrelevant when said player significantly outperforms expectations / prior year performance. For example, Chris Taylor total FPTs in 2019 was 334 (2.7ppg or 440 when pro-rating for 162 games). At current pace, he is on track for 650+. This really doesn't seem like a deal to get up in arms over.... buy hey, everyone has their opinions  |
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on May 19, 2021 20:24:05 GMT -5
Tigers GM (Jon) ... this is not a correct calculation for compensation picks. The 2019 season was a full season, so we would not pro-rate his numbers for 162 games. It would take his best two full seasons in the last three full seasons (2018 and 2021) and average those out for his value. (remember, 2020 did not exist in our league counts) With 444 points scored in 2018... Chris Taylor would need to score 675 points to be eligible for a COMP B pick this off-season. That's just not happening. I'm not sure why Nik's friends are rushing to convince people he's not getting ripped off in this trade. I think a 2nd at most would be what Taylor was worth... not sure it's vetoable. Probably would be if it were different owners making the trades.
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Post by Tigers GM (Jon) on May 19, 2021 20:38:33 GMT -5
Tigers GM (Jon) ... this is not a correct calculation for compensation picks. The 2019 season was a full season, so we would not pro-rate his numbers for 162 games. Also, I don't think we would include the 2020 season numbers and pro-rate those. I don't believe we ever came up with a solution to that? I think we would just skip 2020 and average out the 2019 and 2021 seasons. With 334 points scored in 2019... Chris Taylor would need to score 775 points to be eligible for a COMP B pick this off-season. That's not happening. Correct me if I'm wrong on the 2020 numbers factoring into compensation picks. I definitely could be. Sorry for confusion - I am using the 2019 numbers (last “real” season) to prove the fact that Taylor’s trade value 6 months ago is irrelevant as it was based on much different (lesser) production from 2019/2020. He is obviously far outperforming prior years. |
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on May 19, 2021 20:49:09 GMT -5
Tigers GM (Jon) ... this is not a correct calculation for compensation picks. The 2019 season was a full season, so we would not pro-rate his numbers for 162 games. It would take his best two full seasons in the last three full seasons (2018 and 2021) and average those out for his value. (remember, 2020 did not exist in our league counts) With 444 points scored in 2018... Chris Taylor would need to score 675 points to be eligible for a COMP B pick this off-season. That's just not happening. I'm not sure why Nik's friends are rushing to convince people he's not getting ripped off in this trade. I think a 2nd at most would be what Taylor was worth... not sure it's vetoable. Probably would be if it were different owners making the trades. To be clear, I wouldn't have made that trade if I were STL, but I don't think it is a veto worthy trade. I am not trying to convince people of anything, I personally think anchoring on what someone went for earlier in the season is not necessarily always the most important thing. different team, different situation. Tim was able to make a profit, I think that is fine. Taylor is worth a 1st to Nik, I think that is fine too. I am not a huge fan of it, but it isn't so egregious to veto. |
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on May 20, 2021 0:19:27 GMT -5
This is going to get approved, but here are my final thoughts on this. This trade is a, win the WS or its pointless type trade. That's what it is. You playing for a division title? Ok, fun. But you think this trade moves you into the top 8 in the league? This is the type of trade that moves you above the Rockies? No. Its not. If you're a 4 or 5 on the league, and you're in desperate need of him, ok. Maybe paying a 1st isn't so bad. If this is the best you could get, it makes much more sense to save your 1st and wait for Seager to get healthy, or play for next year. Cause you could find a fill in for cheaper, way cheaper. Anyway, I'm done. I'm honestly shocked this is getting approved. I hope you win it all too make it worth it. Your window of opportunity for next year would've been far better with this 1st for trade bait than without it.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on May 20, 2021 9:25:52 GMT -5
Tigers GM (Jon), Blue Jays GM (Stephen) thanks for clarifying guys. After thinking about it, I would like to take back what I said, you are both very consistent in how you vote on trades. This isn't worth a veto. A good player for a good draft pick doesn't get there for me. Just think it's a great steal for the Nationals, he's very good at these type of trades, and it has led to the incredible roster that he's put together.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on May 23, 2021 16:08:18 GMT -5
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