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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Dec 18, 2020 13:00:15 GMT -5
We are having an MiLB Draft in the middle of January and don't have a predetermined way to set the order for the draft. Please comment with ideas for how to do this. Tim (Nationals) has already suggested doing a tiered snake order (see the Draft Update post). Would like to have a decision by the New Year. Thanks! baseknock.proboards.com/thread/9725/draft-update |
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on Dec 18, 2020 13:44:04 GMT -5
Using the current 2020 draft order...here is how the tiered snake draft order would look:
Round 1
1. SDP
2. BAL
3. CIN
4. WSH
5. TBR
6. LAD
7. CLE
8. MIA
9. TEX
10. OAK
11. STL
12. ARI
13. KCR
14. ATL
15. DET
16. NYM
17. NYY
18. SEA
19. CHW
20. HOU
21. PHI
22. CHC
23. LAA
24. PIT
25. TOR
26. MIL
27. MIN
28. SFG
29. BOS
30. COL
Round 2
1. OAK
2. TEX
3. MIA
4. CLE
5. LAD
6. TBR
7. WAS
8. CIN
9. BAL
10. SDP
11. HOU
12. CHW
13. SEA
14. NYY
15. NYM
16. DET
17. ATL
18. KCR
19. ARI
20. STL
21. COL
22. BOS
23. SFG
24. MIN
25. MIL
26. TOR
27. PIT
28. LAA
29. CHC
30. PHI
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Post by Phillies GM (Zach) on Dec 18, 2020 13:48:11 GMT -5
Well I just don’t like this at all anymore...
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on Dec 18, 2020 13:50:43 GMT -5
I don't like this at all. (The Order snake thingy) I am for pushing back the draft until after free agnecy slows down. Why wouldn't we wait until February. We just passed halfway in our current draft. I am not sure we will be ready by Jan 15.
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Post by Cardinals GM (Nik) on Dec 18, 2020 13:59:16 GMT -5
Since MLB is delaying the J2 singings 6 months, I'm for delaying our MiLB draft until the end of the 2021 season and using the draft order based on 2021 results. If MLB has their typical J2 signings in July of 2021 then I would suggest we just combine the draft pool and increase the number of rounds in the MiLB draft for one year. If January 15 becomes the new J2 then we can just continue to have the MiLB draft after the end of the previous season.
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Post by Phillies GM (Zach) on Dec 18, 2020 14:08:10 GMT -5
All previous kidding aside...I’m alright with this. Not perfect but it’s not a bad compromise for a one time situation. I definitely think we should have a draft, not push it to after season or skip it. I’m good with waiting till Jan. 18. I don’t see a ton of downside here.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Jan 2, 2021 12:40:26 GMT -5
Draft date for the MiLB Draft is now TBD instead of in January. Not enough discussion.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Jan 8, 2021 13:33:55 GMT -5
Deciding to push the draft back until mid-February. New target start date is February 15th, current format idea is the snake draft (sectioned off every 1-10 picks).
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Post by Cardinals GM (Nik) on Jan 8, 2021 13:49:16 GMT -5
One of the reasons I don't like the 1-10 snake is because 1, 11, 21 have everything to lose and 10, 20, & 30 have everything to gain... Of course Tim is in favor of this because he would pick #4 or #7 (only 3 spot diff) and Alex is in favor because he gets to move up 9 spots every other round.
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Jan 8, 2021 13:54:44 GMT -5
Cardinals GM (Nik) Yes. But teams are not in the same spot that they were when this draft order was set. So I'm obviously not in favor of picking last in back to back drafts based on the 2019 season. Your team is also greatly improved, so it doesn't make sense to just give you the 11th pick again based on 2019 results. Some teams get a big benefit (Baltimore is definitely not a #2 pick team), some teams are a net loss (Yankees should not be picking #17).... but I don't see a more fair option being people have no interest in a crowd-sourced new order based on how we perceive the teams would've finished in 2020.
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Post by Blue Jays GM (Stephen) on Jan 8, 2021 21:35:02 GMT -5
Sucks for the guys in the middle too. I would almost rather put people into buckets and do an equal lottery for those buckets. something like:
Tankers: NYY, CHC, TEX, SDP, CLE, TBR, LAD, CIN, NYM, OAK, KCR (based on power rankings, but I also agree with it)
Not Tankers: Everyone Else
I would rather lose to a lottery personally than snaking the tiers.
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Post by Cardinals GM (Nik) on Jan 8, 2021 22:21:04 GMT -5
Serious question. What would it hurt if we postponed this draft until after the 2021 season and used those standings as the draft order?
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Jan 8, 2021 22:48:41 GMT -5
Cause we have nothing better to do till the season, so why not have a draft? That's not an option in my book.
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Post by Cardinals GM (Nik) on Jan 9, 2021 0:55:19 GMT -5
We agreed to postpone the amateur draft, I don’t see how this is much different.
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Post by Phillies GM (Zach) on Jan 9, 2021 7:01:05 GMT -5
To echo my previous statements, it’s a one time fix to a unique situation. A draft like this hopefully won’t happen again, barring another worldwide pandemic, and this gets us back on track to our usual schedule. I think it should be done before the season because that’s our usual schedule and the MiLB draft is used by lots of owners not only for international guys but for depth MLB pieces as well. No reason to take that opportunity away in this instance. I’m all for the proposed snake ordering and drafting before season starts.
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Post by Cardinals GM (Nik) on Jan 9, 2021 12:00:11 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you voted to delay the 2020 season, but now don’t want to delay the Milb draft.
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Post by Phillies GM (Zach) on Jan 9, 2021 12:04:58 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you voted to delay the 2020 season, but now don’t want to delay the Milb draft. ✋🏻 In case you were curious |
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on Jan 9, 2021 12:05:26 GMT -5
I can’t wait to see who has the biggest penis in this competition
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Post by Tigers GM (Jon) on Jan 9, 2021 12:07:51 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of the snake order for almost the exact reasons Nik stated above; however, I can't say I have a better solution.
It really does suck being a middle of the pack team and not getting any benefit of a snake format. Seems a little unfair to be honest, but again, I'm not sure how to fix it.
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Jan 9, 2021 12:44:08 GMT -5
I can’t wait to see who has the biggest penis in this competition I'm out |
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on Jan 9, 2021 12:53:38 GMT -5
I can’t wait to see who has the biggest penis in this competition I'm out I can’t see it so you must have the smallest one |
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Jan 9, 2021 18:45:18 GMT -5
Cardinals GM (Nik) if we push this MiLB Draft out again then will have the same problem a year from now... we will need to do two drafts based on one season. Maybe I'm wrong, but as Zach is saying, this is a one-time fix to get us back on schedule. I think the best way to do this would be to establish a committee or something to determine the draft order based on current talent. Or have everyone vote and aggregate the results. Or have a handful of owners vote. If don't want to leave it up to any owners opinions, then we're left with doing what we can (snake, etc.) with the previous draft order to make it more fair.
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Jan 9, 2021 18:53:39 GMT -5
Why not use early 2021 rankings? Those don't seem far off. Maybe a few teams are up or down a spot, but idt theres anybody that should be up or down more than 5 spots.
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Post by Phillies GM (Zach) on Jan 9, 2021 18:59:35 GMT -5
Why not use early 2021 rankings? Those don't seem far off. Maybe a few teams are up or down a spot, but idt theres anybody that should be up or down more than 5 spots. I don’t think this is a bad idea. |
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Jan 9, 2021 18:59:54 GMT -5
And before someone says those are subjective, I'm aware.
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on Jan 9, 2021 19:04:17 GMT -5
And before someone says those are subjective, I'm aware. are you aware these are subjective ? |
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Post by Cardinals GM (Nik) on Jan 9, 2021 19:14:22 GMT -5
Cardinals GM (Nik) if we push this MiLB Draft out again then will have the same problem a year from now... we will need to do two drafts based on one season. Maybe I'm wrong, but as Zach is saying, this is a one-time fix to get us back on schedule. I think the best way to do this would be to establish a committee or something to determine the draft order based on current talent. Or have everyone vote and aggregate the results. Or have a handful of owners vote. If don't want to leave it up to any owners opinions, then we're left with doing what we can (snake, etc.) with the previous draft order to make it more fair. Didn’t we agree to keep the amateur draft right after the season every year, so we could do the same for this draft? |
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Post by Marlins GM (Travis) on Jan 9, 2021 21:44:18 GMT -5
I certainly hope not. During the season contenders can trade their picks for pieces and teams that realize they aren't in it can sell. I think having it after the season is a horrible idea, having it in July where it always is, is perfect.
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Post by Nationals GM (Tim) on Jan 9, 2021 21:47:50 GMT -5
I certainly hope not. During the season contenders can trade their picks for pieces and teams that realize they aren't in it can sell. I think having it after the season is a horrible idea, having it in July where it always is, is perfect. we did agree. Where have you been ? |
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Post by Rockies GM (Alex) on Jan 14, 2021 13:34:09 GMT -5
Current plan is to have a Feb. 15 draft with tiered (groups of ten) snake orders. International class is officially announced tomorrow for the... 2020/2021 J2 class, not sure what to call it these days.
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